@Galletasalada @FinalOverdrive yeah! I phrased one of my responses to final overdrive poorly, I don't think it's really relevant whether someone is "truly" "evil by nature" or whatever — as I said in my original response, what really matters is that we tried to reform them or whatever and it didn't work, and that they're still hurting other people. That for *whatever* reason they can't be around others without victimizing them. Stopping that harm is what matters, not questions of free will or moral ontology.