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@faassen @dpnash > the question is whether it's primarily a product of improvement to programming language and environments rather than hardware

I’m arguing that yes, absolutely, to a very large extent that’s exactly what it is. There’s nothing about Swift optionals that couldn’t have run on 1985 hardware.

> it became successful using Objective C, which goes back to the 80s

ref unc: what is “it” here??

> I do believe language innovation is empowering, for me personally more than llms

Same, 100%