@anemone @Ghislaine i haven't recognized that, but at the same time, their arguments never seemed to be worth anything to me. In my experience I've used systemd well. The biggest thing they (could, because it's fixed now) would point out is the "lol waiting to shut down" thing which if you thought for more than half a second was a good thing because you don't want stuff that has open files or whatever to be killed mercilessly... but at the same time no one really uses linux on the desktop so who cares really