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@inthehands the thing is that what most people want is to make it to tomorrow with a roof over their head and food on the table. Next to those considerations, matters of conscience, and the day after tomorrow, are of less immediate concern. This is the vast camp, which Garrett forgets about, of people who are probably not pro-repression but whose strongest commitment is to survival for themselves and their families.

And definitionally those people who are *not being repressed right now* are likely to benefit at least a little from repressions. Especially when there's high unemployment, resources become more scarce due to climate change... And horribly, those who *are being repressed right now* are out of the equation... I think that Garret's point (specifically about what's definitional) is not borne out by the reality and historical experience of repressive regimes. We need hope desperately, but it needs to be grounded in something other than an abstract belief that good ideals will win with some kind of mathematical inevitability.