@wowaname @Moon i just hit something where openvpn is actually less painful than wireguard

if you configure wireguard to route all you traffic you have to avoid it from routing the endpoint too or it will loop. for that you either create a static route, which is very impractical on mobile or if you change networks often. or you use a calculator page to generate a long ass list which contains all the range except the one you don't want, and that didn't work with network manager because it doesn't support strings that long on the values for the fields