Believers in god(s), spirits, ghosts, astrology, etc, if you want to convince me of what you believe, don't give me arguments. I don't want arguments. I want evidence. You're not trying to convince me of an idea. You're trying to convince me of an entity, force, phenomenon, etc, that actually exists and has some sort of effect on the material world. Arguments don't prove the existence of something. Evidence does. If you don't have evidence, then I don't want to hear it.