@TrevorGoodchild @Orkin_Awk yes, without their subversion we would not be dealing with many problems we have.

However we are in the situation we are in, and we cannot say "well if things had be different!"

One shouldn't take this as a question of "you must choose one" - but to think if it were to be such that you had to choose, which would you choose?

I would simply choose the former, because not only do I dislike the mutilation of children, but I think it also is the most advantage position in the long term.