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@blenderdumbass @tama I was in the middle of writing a long winded response, then realised I hadn't grasped what you'd written at all. This is almost like the physicist with the spherical cow. Its a simplification that removes a lot of detail (which is the point. I was going to get bogged down in the details). So if we remove privacy to prevent murder (a gross exaggeration or 10%, the point is that it accounts for all the other harms) that there is no net benefit to freedom. You've given me something to think about. Thanks!