Take it or leave it. I am long past believing that anybody would care to try to learn from people like me: kids who grew up without any access at all to all your information, not even your schools, and *still changed.* Have your nihilism, that's fine. I was a child and got several of my siblings *and* my mom and multiple close friends out of those communities and no one ever cares how we do it, or asks. But if you asked I'd say yeah, think about how many of these people have kids.