@inthehands I don't know if I'll ever _not_ bring up Mr. Fred Rogers as an example of positive masculinity in these discussions, that was one American man who was not afraid of what dipshit "bros" thought of him as he was very very publicly kind and caring, which can be the hardest, toughest, up-hill fight for social humans. Too many adopt a masculinity of abuse and cowardly violence because of fear of what others might think of them. Itd be sad if it it wasn't destructive