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@FinalOverdrive@kolektiva.social yeah it's tough, there is is a lot of psychological defenses and rationaliations built up specifically to deny, ignore, or justify whiteness, i think there is such a thing as tact or how we approach issues can vary greatly, because people are very different in their cognitive abilities or philosphies or whatever, and when we deal with people en mass you have to account for different perspectives, there's differences, for example, between what you might call the naive (young) white wealthy people who just taking the world they've lived for granted, there's also white people who are self-consciously racist but pretend not to be racist publicly, or people who have deep-seated racist prejudices and insecurities on varying levels of denial. Really an entire typology could be made of all the different degrees or categories of racist whites.

yes there is no way around but through as you say, but there's different ways to go through it. Like Malcolm X for example never mixed works about what he thought about hte white power structure, or the mass behavior of black folks. The Black Panthers made a very thorough study of white psychology and taylored their rhetoric a certain way.. there's similarities and differences, like Stokely Carmichael called on white radicals to have "Freedom Schools" in white neighborhoods, get the whites on their side. One splinter group of SDS, RAM2 ( revolutionary action movement) iirc tried moving into industrial neighborhoods, didn't really take off i think that's where the new communist thing started ( RCP etc. absolutely cursed timeline) Anyway, i can't blame this woman for not having the charisma of Malcolm X, and perhaps just having this conversation is important even if gone about in an imperfect way, maybe she thinks she has to make compromises for the people of confronting racism and justifies all the opportunism there. She's not wrong about everything, but imo a really revolutionary analysis that takes into account the history of resistance to white western colonial order and doesn't just hide behind milquetoast reformism, it's only going to do some demographic realignment, it does not address the colonial death machine of which institutional workplace discrimination is but a symptom. but that seems to be her entire concern.

So this question of how ( exuse the mao ) progressive / advanced whites should deal with intermediate and backwards white people isndamental to politics in the US and probably any settler colonial project, and usually the force of white reaction wins, partly by coopting any resistance, these days there's a non profit system that generates career seeking opportunist huksters competing with each other for funds and with organic working class organizers for attention. So i see this as aspect of NGO industrial non-profit soft counterinsurency psyop market