@argv_minus_one 100% Vance is a very glib and polished liar. A decent communicator who is deeply mendacious. Sounds good... if you don't actually listen to what he is saying. Scary, *but* he has the personality of an old shoe... and his lies aren't quite unhinged enough (yet) to satisfy the blood lust of far-right extremists (AKA the Republican Base) hellbent on fulll scale ethnic cleansing... we'll see how far Daddy Thiel's money will take him in US politics going forward...