@Pvt_Property @Nirty_Digger @YeetLibs Ultimately, you have to be persistent. Arguing one time over this is not going to convince someone. If the argument is good enough, years of repetition will change anyone's mind. It's like Goebbels said "if you repeat a lie enough, eventually people will believe it." ALTHOUGH, that's not exactly what he said I'm paraphrasing, and that quote is usually taken out of context. But the main idea is true: repetition works.