@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @veff @grey @vic @TatsuyaIshida My arguments against infanticide are primarily secular, or at least not restricted to Christianity. An anti-theistic materialist "we're all just starting dust" type wouldn't care about ethics, and they're irrational faggots who generally only care about hedonism. A regular nonbeliever can, and generally does, recognize that actions can have consequences, even if they're in your mind or 'spirit' in the Nietzschian sense of the word. In other words, you know as well as I do that some levels of consistency in our ethical and moral presuppositions are important regardless of the veneer we put over top of them.