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@rsalz @eliotlear I gave an example earlier in the thread; but, again, the recusal obligation is triggered simply by the appearance of a conflict of interest. https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/iesg-coi-policy/ says "In cases where a clear conflict of interest exists, an Area Director should normally recuse". It doesn't say "Wait until the evidence of bad decisions is so overwhelming that you feel pressured to do what you would have done without this policy existing in the first place".