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@inthehands I think you’re right on all of this. I do wonder if perhaps it would still represent an improvement. After all, one of the biggest mistakes people make (IMNSHO) is they compare a flawed outcome to a utopian possibility, not the way something will actually happen otherwise.

I’m less worried right now about the flawed self drive solutions than I am flawed legal structures around them. This situation in Cali where nobody currently can be fined for their misbehavior is untenable.