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@zdl Yeah... I once watched a new urbanist (of the Strong Towns variety, who are usually pretty reasonable) try to explain to a disabled person who couldn't walk very well why everybody *else* not being in cars and being able to walk to places 15 minutes away would make their own disabled life easier. It simply did not connect to any sort of brain lobe beyond the fear lobe, and the worry that someone would take away their car. I suppose they just had no idea anything else was possible, because they'd never seen it anywhere! Kind of sad.