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I ask because that way non-orientedness stops being "shocking" because orientation is an irrelevant local symmetry anyway, and I could think about the unoriented spin value as like "rotation energy".

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I also was gonna ask questions about how spin fits into LQG braid matter and "holographic" universe hypotheses but such such questions are absurd and "cranky" I think I should not try to ask them until I understand the normal one. Maybe I'll see if my PhysicsForums login still works (3/3)