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>I don't even think you need to do any direct subversion.
Granted, but you need to turn the administrators/moderators either consciously or unconsciously. In places already commercialized you don't have to, but that's because the true administrator is the corporation in the first place. But on our side I have never seen once a place go down without the moderators switching sides long before.

>Most people just go with the flow
Yeah, but they need to be placated in some way that makes sense to them. If everybody has a bad time it's quite more difficult to go with the flow. That's why they make sure the masses are distracted and relatively well off at least as long as the whole system is not fully in place.
Also, relatively recent national historical experiences do play a role in the feasibility of this type of operations.

>you just have to follow some Japanese people.
Fedi is an exception. And at its pleroma/mastodon form it doesn't really incentivize group creation.