New Episode
The aim here isn’t to change anyone’s mind but break the issue down so both sides can at least appreciate where the other one is coming from and provide a framework for common ground.
Listen here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ceW8MBY5LBrPwFEd7Ft2K?si=F5cY6fv4R-mDRo6tJwGdQw