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simsa04 (simsa04@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Nov-2022 12:16:15 JSTsimsa04 re: https://gnusocial.net/conversation/7453278#notice-12980032
A Russian defeat won't make it a more civilised nation, not even in the long run. On the contrary, they'd dug in, grow more bitter as the defeat made them poorer, which, on the other hand, would increase it megalomania and sense of historic mission, only to strike again.
True, every major country with a sense of purpose and destiny finally had to give up on these due to a military defeat – Japan, Germany, the UK, Spain, France... all empires turned nations after military defeat ended their sense of destiny. (Which, by the way, is why the U.S. still rolls in its sense of glory and purpose.) A nation that relishes in power and glory needs a defeat from oustside for a chance to leave its sense of mission behind.
But that is not all. China overcame defeat, Russia will too. What distinguishes both from say Germany and Japan after WW II, is that the victorious powers occupied the land and engaged in training people and bureaucratic layers to adopt representative democracy, liberal values ("liberal" not in the sense of "progressive" but as in "egalitarianism"), a market economy more or less balanced with social welfare. Russia doesn't have that nor will it have it in the future. Revanchism is thus the prospect (like Germany after WW I), not the embrace of good citizenry. (And the U.S. doesn't have these things either which is why it is deemed by so many the most dangerous country in the world.)