What are you hoping to accomplish by debating or engaging with someone whose motivations and enthusiasms are so crassly cynical and invariably aligned with the slavers, the brutalizers, the oppressors, the extractors, the boots on the necks of the marginalized, oppressed and dispossessed? These folks aren't making mistakes, it's not a lack of knowledge; they are cynically appropriating your concerns to defend fascism, extraction and mass murder. There's no common ground to be found there.