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In both cases, it's worth thinking about where the original Agile and DevOps philosophies _position_ their adherents. Because in both cases, that position can be fairly described as "as close as possible to the consequences of, and people affected by, decisions made about software".

And in the same vein I think it's worth asking ourselves who, specifically, are well-served by debasing and diluting those ideas, by distancing people and pushing responsibility and agency away from consequence.