@dushman if you look at what they actually do they leverage government power to enforce austerity for things like environmentalism. Think for a moment how that frames within capitalism, it doesn't at all. It's a trick. I think what is tripping you up is that rich people are involved. They all agree that we need a big central government, and they are organizing for one. I don't think it can be easily framed into capitalist or communist, I was just being provocative. it's a new thing that is a mix of public and private power. it's closer to fascism.