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@adamgreenfield Oh I like Stafford Beer too, sadly the Cybersyn project is only a sidenote of history.

When I look at what certain associations do as a system: creating unsolidarity among its members, creating frustration, misusing resources, etc. then the cybernetic conception of it gives some funny results.

Example: the purpose of a hackerspace is to create disillusioned, disgruntled members.