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@mjg59 bloat is subjective but it reduces accessibility.

for me, squaring the circle and a perfect world isnt bloat-free because theres no reasonable way to define that. in a perfect world, bloat is optional because non-bloat is always available and an option.

for me the crime of systemd is how damned hard it is to completely eliminate from your system, not from the world. it approaches the idea of mandatory software. for years people have debated the finer points of this while it takes over.