@hakan_geijer Yeah, have those conversations with Nordic backpackers who didn't know the origin of lightweight backpacking lied in rock-climbers and ultra-marathoners broke their knees then switched to hiking.
I just don't know why they have to ridicule American thru-hikers who are only gram-counting because of FKT (fastest known time) competitions, when we had conversations about "stupid ultralight" which led to splitting of categories like "mountain ultralight" and so on. I don't know if there is such a thing as "Nordic ultralight" to compensate for how wet the peninsula can get. I do know Alaskans and Canadian ultralighters are always telling Americans to pack heavier clothes for bush-whacking and more insulation for sudden weather shifts and longer periods of rain.