@elementals I hear this narrative a lot and it's like, yeah I mean if you're stupid about it you'll have a bad time and learn nothing, but thats true of everything. NTs are just authoritarians who want to discipline everyone into having the same perception of the world as them, even in artificially altered states of consciousness with drugs, or with how a perception of the world is made sense of with magik. even in this fringes, the same logic of control persists