A speaker disagrees, thinks it's the social media that has been a conduit to news for decades. But now the means of production are owned by the same people making generativeAI. Musk wiped out twitter's misinformation people and simultaneously created grok. So this is fundamentally a different landscape than even 12-18 months ago. Speaker change: these debates happens every time there's a new media. The "toxic destabilising undertaingy" person is unfortunately more charismatic as a speaker.