@Brendanjones one can argue but that arguing doesn't progress towards sustainability The basics of corporate cybernetics and logistics were solved by the late 1980. This very service, fosstodon, is not dissimilar in kind to usenet. If fun should make up a large chunk of our energy usage then we should admit that but blocking the easy things and failing to admit the issues are closer to the core is not a pathway to viable economies. It's pandering and virtue signaling.