@p @amerika @11112011 @FreedoingVlad @Senator_Armstrong @animeirl @dicey @eisai @icedquinn @ins0mniak I remember reading Plato's Republic in college (his best work by a mile imho) and being absolutely inspired by it, and on fire to agree to disagree with everyone and also all things Plato.

I went to the school library and checked out one of his other works, I think it was Phaedo, and being deeply disappointed by it. Plato argued that the Soul was separate from the body (ok), that the Soul was solid (um), and, as a solid, material item, the Soul could not be destroyed (wtf, a solid material item us the EASIEST thing to destroy) and therefore, death of the body was not the end of Life. And so I was introduced to, and disillusioned by, Plato's sophistry all in one go.

I still have a fondness for agreeing to disagree and civil debate, but unfortunately there are some who take this for weakness, and only respond to the iron gauntlet. So, in the end, Plato was wrong about everything. Sad really.