@p @11112011 @Grandtheftautism @Senator_Armstrong @animeirl @dicey @icedquinn Fair enough to remind me of the context.

But that's merely a public excuse. Of course Russia knew NATO would say "no". They just wanted to play that game.

If you allow me one more example: at the end of the "negotiations", Russia request for Nato to guarantee the safety of Russia, but the US declined. Negotiations over, 2 months later invasion.

That's one of these games again. Of course the US isn't going to say "yes". It would imply freedom of "movement" for Russia in the Ukraine. No can do.

It's all a stage.