@Ripsnort It would have quickly collapsed into a failed South-African style country, which is what we are quickly becoming......either way, America was fucked.

Both sides had horrible ideas for what they wanted the future of America to be, but it doesn't negate the bravery of the great white men who fought on both sides of the conflict.

I still think we should officially recognize Robert E. Lee (Hannibal of the South) as an "Honorary Founding Father," regardless.