Ezra Klein's interview of Amaney Jamal. Jamal's point about "forces that do not want peace" is so important. Also her data show that the majority of Gazans do not support & have suffered under Hamas. But these civilians are being punished for what Hamas has done (don't forget: Bibi preferred Hamas over PA.) https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-amaney-jamal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7kw.88r2.UcNg2TT5gw0O&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare