@p I agree that compilers went a full way out of normality nowadays. and somebody must stop that mad printer of standards, for goodness. we don't need so many standards per second, for sure. this makes things worse and litters the language definitions and standard libraries with absolute nonsense. I was ok with C++ until it was C++93 or at least 98. but then it went unleashed and turned into a ridiculous set of useless junk just because they can add whatever bullshit to standards. and I began to hate C++ and turned back to writing in pure C because it was not so fucked up and quirky. well, at least, there's no such madness as compilers incompatibility and the diarrhoea or numerous standards.