@ocdtrekkie @donkeyblam well, I'm talking about people who are 'hardcore tech' and shouldn't be intimidated by copying and pasting a few commands. These things take ~10-60 minutes to do... and then a few minutes the next time you do an upgrade. Many of the services I use get a few hours of my time per year in admin... and that's a lot cheaper than a) having to spend a bunch of time jumping through proprietary provider hoops, b) trusting them to look after my data, & c) paying them.