@p @nishi @animeirl @idiot Oh without a doubt, I'm just saying that in addition to that, the tools themselves are needlessly baroque and thus there's no reason to use them unless you're forced to. What human being living on this earth has the time to actually *know* gdb? Much the same for any of the C debuggers shipped by any of the big names. acid is fine more or less because it doesn't do much and what it does it does well. Other languages and ecosystems don't suffer from this problem nearly as much because (a) the code is easier to reason about in the first damn place and (b) they don't skimp on tooling.