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@CosmicTrigger I mean it makes sense from their perspective because if animals are moral subjects then why shouldn't they be moral actors and if they are moral actors and killing them is wrong then allowing animals to kill other animals is in fact also wrong. I actually came across a couple months ago a real ass vegan on Twitter saying that one day we will have enough control over nature to stop all the wanting violence and killing in nature and for example prevent lions from hunting and stuff.