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@HeavenlyPossum this is a good point. The rich need the state to exist because they need something to enforce their property rights. And the reason the state can enforce their property rights more effectively than they could by themselves is because it has the monopoly on the legitimate use of force (so no one really challenges its propertarian violence) and — far more importantly imo! — also because the state has the right of legitimate taxation, which means it can, without many people even questioning it, expropriate by gun and boot and baton money from the very people it is going to use violence to protect property from, to fund its property protection efforts! Without taxation to subsidize protecting their property, the rich would be forced to foot the entire bill for protecting their fiefdoms themselves, instead of relying on expropriating everyone else in society to protect themselves against that very society, and they would quickly find that the greater their wealth and the more they use it for rent and exploitation instead of actually using it themselves, the exponentially more expensive that property gets to protect. So in essence, taxation exists to socialize the costs of protecting the rich onto everyone else, and without that it wouldn't be cost effective to be rich!