@neonsnake @rechelon yeah, there's a CrimeTheInc article I saw shared here awhile ago arguing that the only true form of anarchism is primitivism, because technology requires specialization / division of labor and long supply chains and those inherently require hierarchy. It's not a convincing argument to me though, because there's no reason for division of labor or specialization to require hierarchy (workers in any specialization can always self-manage, and there's no inherent need for hierarchy or authority between different specializations, a scientist knows as little about a factory worker's job as vice versa) or alienation (to take a page out of Bob Black's book, we don't have to specialize people as much as we do today, so onerous specializations could be combined with other specializations in a rotation or something, and if combined with worker self management, people would have a lot more agency in general, including how they mix things up) and I really really don't see why any stage of a supply chain would have authority over any other or why sheer distance or numerousness or complexity of process requires authority to manage and organize it, that seems like a fundamentally un-anarchist assumption backed up by little more than incredulity, when bottom up Proudhonian federations and such are possible.