And just to be clear, I haven't seen a single person criticizing them from the angle that "they aren't pro-christian enough". Maybe those people are out there, but I haven't seen it. All of the criticism I *have* seen, and I think a lot of people will agree, is that any time the topic *does* come up, it's overwhelmingly anti-Christian, goes on for way longer than is necessary, and many of the things the church is criticized for are things that the people responding to them are also critical of. In these spheres, everybody already *knows* ELCA sucks. Everybody *knows* episcopalians suck. Everybody *knows* that the institutions themselves are infiltrated, like any other institution. We don't need a spergy early 2010's r/atheism tier rant about the faith itself with enough requisite antisemitism/racism sprinkled on about the faith itself to know that the institutions aren't doing what they're supposed to, and to that end, people are just asking them to not talk about it.