@RustyCrab @teknomunk steel bad mmkay

generally these people only look at up front energy costs, they don't consider the whole picture. like with cash 4 clunkers where they destroyed a bunch of functional vehicles, which represented a huge sunk energy cost in their production, to get people to... buy new "efficient" vehicles, which also took a huge amount of energy to produce. was that a net energy savings? maybe, but it was small and came at great economic cost

I'm not sure wind turbines ever become net positive in energy generation, on average