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Most all the anarchists who are commenting on the Kolektiva "incident" are saying things along the lines of "well you shouldn't talk about crimes on here anyway, so it shouldn't matter if the DB got seized." Which is true, yes. And it's good to remind people about it.

But!

People fucking *do* talk about crimes here, and if you're the steward of the space in which they do these things, you do have some responsibility to go out of your way to cover their asses too.

Literally no one (self included) is doing uber max security all the time, and saying that some sort of security breach shouldn't matter is just naive. They always will matter because people will always make mistakes. And even when they aren't making mistake, they entire principle of OpSec is to systematically analyze what knowledge an enemy can by your actions. The point is that small innocuous things combined can fuck you over. Cops having DMs, email addresses, and password hashes *absolutely is an OpSec fuckup* even if everyone on here was truly anon and squeaky clean.

I know we all sympathize with the admins and that we're getting a ton of hate from fuckwit techies outside out "community," and I know that the initial reaction from our side was that it's extremely fucking bad (it's only somewhat bad), but we're also not being nearly critical enough of what happen. What are the actual consequences of this? We could be a bit more nuanced.