@Amalek_Respector @mkultra Why should someone invest in raising a family with someone indifferent to them from the start? That's the grim scenario you had laid out, and that family is already in a failure state.

I'm not a MGTOW philosophy guy, but what is in it for them that they should take action if that's truly the prospect? An ungrounded assertion that they should reproduce isn't going to convince someone that has checked out of a large part of society, social pressure only works on someone who considers himself a part of that society.