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@mattly @joelvanderwerf right; I know that's not your argument, sorry to hijack your thread but I guess I'm saying we need both

they certainly are closely related tho right? I mean, if you are going to provide the means to construct your own algorithm, you can't reasonably do that without providing the tools to debug it ... which may be the exact same tools of transparency and visibility you would need anyway for any algorithmic recommendation?