@RustyCrab I was thinking more in terms of general joblessness at that level, I mean the only people I know getting laid off work for VC backed shit holes building dog walking apps for Latinx whatever, you get my point, or huge multi tens of billion dollar revenue companies -- they're getting ass blasted because these companies over hired (example, Salesforce increased organization headcount by 104%) and now that the economy is slowing down they have to do rightsizing it's a joke