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- Embed this noticePeople seem to keep forgetting that Russia and China both have huge numbers of engineers in various fields whom are quite competent. The West has a serious problem of huffing its own farts when it comes to the products we make, they're not that unique, they're just the cheapest bang for the buck. Westerners would benefit greatly from acknowledging that peoples outside of the West aren't just banging rocks together and lashing things together with rope.