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@erincandescent The people pushing this stuff are not good-faith. They come from right wing technofash backgrounds, work for fascist-regime-aligned companies, and want the harms that will come from normalizing having to enter an age (and in the future, have it verified against an identity) everywhere to do something with a computer.

We don't need to be giving them the benefit of the doubt or arguing that complying with them will possibly mitigate further harms from governments. Fascists do not suddenly back down from harming you when you comply. They learn they can step on you and they come back to do it worse the next time.