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    \\ (slash@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 08:50:57 JST\\\\
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    • iced depresso
    @icedquinn I agree with you- the way that wayland is similar is instead in the way that it's being used to starve X from continuing to exist- and that, too, is largely at the mercy of IBM, which is potentially a huge problem in the long term. Earlier this year when the Xlibre stuff started, it turned into a giant drama campaign suspiciously quickly, because it just started out as someone pointing out "my change commits to fix X code are being ignored, so I'll fork" which is totally ordinary behavior in open source. It very quickly snowballed into an attempt to stomp any continuation of X into the ground- and when you look at the plans to naturally drop X support, and how much time and effort is invested into Wayland, I get why.

    I think its hard to ignore that through that funding and effort, there are multiple biases to keep in check. There's economic- you draw a paycheck from this work, you've spent years on it, your career or perceived expertise is kinda staked on it, you don't want to admit if early decisions out of your hands might've gone the wrong direction, or if something needs more work and will cost more money to the boss. Then there's also just the personal bias where you've committed so much time and energy, that it's really unpleasant to admit that something just isn't working still. So there's both an economic bias with the power of a company behind it, supercharged by the emotional bias of anyone who has committed all their time to it and just doesn't want to see that work go to waste.

    That's kind of what I'm talking about- strong personalities deciding to do things another way and create solutions they haven't seen can be a great thing in open source, but at some point without care they can become a gear in an economic machine with attached interests that don't actually benefit the project it started as. When competition is healthy, and in particular when scope is narrowed and designed for interoperability with other projects, that is less likely to occur, so my bias is against projects seeking that level of influence/irreplaceability so quickly, or ever.
    In conversationabout 4 months ago from pl.starnix.networkpermalink
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