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@icedquinn I don't hate it, I even use it- but I am still wary of how fast it grew into the roles of other projects, enveloped their functions and made interoperability more of a headache. I feel that way about a lot of projects that behave this way- gnome, wayland, etc. I might still use them, but I don't like when there are too many of them it changes the nature of the ecosystem they're in. Sometimes those changes can be gamed by commercial interests as well, through the allocation and diversion of funding to nudge certain initiatives and starve others- and decisions like that can be made without input from or regard to the community too.